Podcast: Pragmatic Dissidence With Robert Stark

Robert Stark and I focused on the specifics of an Alt-Center that recognizes the essential role of effective redistribution in a successful society and rejects worship of the “free market,” critiquing its role in the creation of culture. After all, we can look at all the great art, encyclopedias, and fan made mods people make for free. How do we manage this massive leisure economy? Furthermore, much great work of the past resulted when single, or a few patrons, rather than the mass market was the source of funding for creative work.

Also, I make mention of my dissident fantasy fiction story, Apostasy, and mention some of the inspirations for its setting.

Robert Stark talks to Giovanni Dannato about Pragmatic Dissidence

By Giovanni Dannato

In 1547 I was burnt at the stake in Rome for my pernicious pamphlet proclaiming that the heavens were not filled with a profusion of aether, but rather an extensive vacuum.
Now, the phlogiston that composed my being has re-manifested centuries in the future so that I may continue the task that was inconveniently disrupted so long ago.
Now, I live in Rome on the very street where I (and others) were publicly burnt. To this day, the street is known as what I would translate as 'Heretic's Way'. My charming residence is number 6 on this old road. Please, do come inside and pay me a visit; I should be delighted to spew out endless pedagoguery to one and all...

2 replies on “Podcast: Pragmatic Dissidence With Robert Stark”

Liked it. I disagree with having only one search engine though I do get the idea.

I agree with Stark’s views about conservatives. I think some basic level of support in housing, phones, electricity, water, health are, power is not a bad thing.

As you said the Lefts values sound much better. The problem is the Left when they have power monopolize services and power while being way less competent than the capitalist. They fill personal by political loyalty instead of competence. The key I think is to never let the State grab a monopoly in anything they produce. Capitalist should always be able to do an end run around any State service. This puts pressure on the State to make services better. If the State controls everything and refuses any competitors then it all becomes shit. No different form the Capitalist monopolist.

Mick Romney has a lot of nerve calling 1/2 the country moochers. His firm took over other public companies because of their access to capital at low rates. I doubt anyone else could have raised this money unless they had the same connections as him. When they took over a company they jammed a formerly perfectly profitable company with debt and charged them enormous “consulting fees”. I’m assuming the consultation consist mostly of pay us or else. They looted the pension funds and drove some of these companies to bankruptcy. These were companies that paid good middle class wages and kept families going. Many of them lost everything. What the take over people took was all the equity of these mostly bread and butter companies that had been built up for decades and put it in their pockets leaving nothing for the people that helped produce the equality in the first place. After all the people working there did so taking into account the pensions which were looted. Would they have ever spent so much effort if they knew it would be looted? I doubt it.

I don’t support supporting artist at all. Basic income sure but not supporting the arts specifically. Mostly because I don’t want to support paint splashes, crucifixes in urine and Women dropping paint balloons from their vaginas. If you’re willing to put in the time with 3D printing you could build most any sort of art you want for a little bit of nothing now. The same software that builds small 3D objects could be used to build large ones. It would take a very long time but it can be done.

One thing you didn’t cover is the habitually violent. Sigh…we’re mostly talking about Blacks. I think we should move them to Permaculture work camps to green the Western deserts in the US. Now when young Blacks commit crimes they are let off until they get old enough of violent enough to get hard time and then they are given a lot of time. By putting them in a place where they are actually doing something useful and working it can’t help but sink into their skulls that working outside and being paid is better than working and not getting paid.

“Great American Western Desert Permaculture Project”. If you’ve ever driven across the country you’d know we have a VAST amount of worthless desert. The idea might actually save some of these goons. If they wouldn’t work they would be chained to a concrete triangle with a metal sheet to reflect heat they could sleep in and be out of the sun. Supplied once a day with water and the latest in vegetarian dinners in isolation. All would have ankle bracelets tracked by drones to save money. The vast majority of them would abhor isolationism quickly and decide to work. The actual work while hard is no different that what young Men have done for 10’s of thousands of years. The work would be terraforming the vast American deserts with permaculture principles. The work would after time start showing promise as the desert greened with self fertilizing trees to be followed with fruit tress and all manner of wildlife that would be drawn to the oasis. Some might actually find solace in being a part of something constructive. The goal is to have them work whether they are out of prison or in. I bet most would rather be out.

Look at this video from a project in Jordon. They took a ruined, desert, hard packed clay, salt saturated ground where nothing would grow at all and in a few years had a self sustaining garden of figs, citrus trees and kinds of stuff growing. It’s startling what can be done. Even if you think the idea is stupid you should look at the video to see what can be done with totally destroyed, salted over earth. It’s amazing.

Look at the first few minutes then skip to 12:02 you’ll see a contrast between what they started with and what the end result was. A large part of the labor would be building contoured trenches over the whole landscape. It would cost a bit at first but over time the whole thing would pay for itself. It would also solve a lot of water problems in the west by fixing water in the ground.

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