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- Stark Truth Podcast: Neuro-Tribalism
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- An Alt-Centrist Look At UBI
- Multi Neuro-Tribal Society
- Interview With Rob Stark on Culture and Aesthetics
- Neuro-Tribalism
- Bio-Mercantilism
- My Response to Ginsburg’s Fall
- The Changing of Power
- Stopping the Race to the Bottom
- There’s No Real Freedom Without Authority
- Seattle Airplane Suicide Is A Barometer of Culture
- Attack on Titan and Modernity
- Rob Stark’s Journey to Vapor Island, A Review
- Podcast: Pragmatic Dissidence With Robert Stark
- Human “Stupidity” Comes From Conflict of Interest
- There’s No Power Without “Downward Distribution”
- My Parser Computer Game
- To Stand Within or Without the Circle of Life
- The Shape of Water: Del Toro’s Final Descent into PC
- How Does the US Empire End?
- Podcast With Rob Stark About Alt-Centrism, Current Events
- My New Alt-Dissident Fantasy Fiction
- The Dance of Cooperation and Defection
- Suburban Populism Beats Rural Traditionalism In Mass Identity Politics
- Dissident Success Requires Cities
- The Cryptocurrency Explosion
- Sexual Harassment Hysteria Seriously Undermines the Establishment
- The 21st Century Leans Toward Aristocracy
- The Augustus Principle
- Lebanon Predicts the Future USA
- Scarcity of Social Capital Sustains Institutions
- The Class Divide in the Alt Right
- Unraveling Civil War Moral Hysteria
- The Scarcity of Social Capital in Western Societies
- “Average Is Over” Is A Destructive Mindset
- Catalonia and Sovereignty
- Fourth Generation Sovereignty
- The Problems of Secession and Dissolution
- Worshiping White Women Is A Losing Strategy For the Dissident Right
- Podcast with Rob Stark: Status Mechanics and Alt-Right Aesthetics
- All Focus on 2018 Midterms
- Alt-Lite and the Weakening of the Merchant Caste
- The Alt-Sphere Should Embrace Culture and Aesthetics
- The Social Cosmology
- High School And Status in America
- The Mechanics of Status
- Observations Leading Up To Bannon Resignation
- On Alt-Sphere Reactions to Charlottesville
- Charlottesville Will Help Alt-Dissidents
- Macro-Sexenomics: Female Beauty Dysgenics In Modern Society
- The Macro-Sexenomics of Female Beauty
- Interview With Rob Stark About the Alt-Center
- The Factions of Alt-Dissidents
- Korezaan, A Regular Commenter, Gets His Own Interview
- Alt-Right Drift Towards “Leftist” Policies
- Thoughts On Replacing Traditional Marriage In A Post-Scarcity Society
- How We Get to an Alt-Center
- Interview with Stark Truth Radio About Post Scarcity Economics
- Defining the Alt-Center: Neo-Tribalism
- Combining The Alt-Right and the Alt-Left
- Female Power and the Vote
- Career Women and Dysgenics
- Preventing Dysgenics in a Society With Basic Guaranteed Living
- NEETs, Lumpenproles, and the Leisure Economy
- The Leisure Economy
- Urban Land Management In A Post Scarcity Economy
- Much US Dysfunction Comes From Post-Scarcity Denial
- State Capitalism in the Internet Age
- Some Form of State Capitalism Is the Future
- On A Basic Guaranteed Living
- On A Post Labor Scarcity Economy
- Reviving Hammurabi’s Code: Different Laws For Different Castes
- White Undertow: The Cause of SWPL Hate?
- The SWPL Paradox: Why Rule By High IQ Fails Miserably
- Syrian Strike, North Korea: A Formative Moment For the Alt-Sphere
- Why the Attack on Syria?
- There’s No Such Thing As “Free Markets”
- Extreme Individualism Is Why Whites Don’t Run Hollywood
- Most Wealth is Wasted in Modern Society
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- Amerika.org, Brett Stevens' blog (Alt-Right/NRx)
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- EvolutionistX (HBD)
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Books of Influence
- Biohistory: Decline and Fall of the West
- Caesar: A Biography, Meier
- Collapse, Diamond
- Debt: The First 5000 Years, Graeber (Founded Alt-Left?)
- Europe Between the Oceans: 9000 BC-AD 1000, Cunliffe
- Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World, Weatherford
- How the Scots Invented the Modern World, Herman
- Kagan's 'Peloponnesian War'
- Kissinger's 'Diplomacy'
- Paul Fussell's 'Class' (Founded the Alt-Center?)
- Plagues and Peoples, McNeill
- The Beak of the Finch, Weiner
- The Black Swan, Taleb
- The Culture Code, Rapaille
- The Outsider, Wilson
- The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, Kennedy
- The Story of Philosophy, Durant
- The Survival Game: How Game Theory Explains the Biology of Cooperation and Competition, Barash
- The Tipping Point, Gladwell
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Reminds me of Dune. Good stuff.
Isn’t interesting how pure science sci-fi has dwindled and universes like Dune and Warhammer 40k seem more relevant than ever?
The masses want popular rulers to be better than them, but still human within their understanding so it imposes a natural limit on what type of people can rise.
Being subjected to an oligarchy of mental freaks would be to them like the rule of an inhuman/superhuman God Emperor.
For an ubermensch with a more benevolent bent think of Superman, in those stories where he takes control of Earth, despite his best intention he doesn’t really “get” how people work. In the end his work is always screwed by the hands of Luthor or Batman.
The rightful rulers don’t want competition. Competing visions isn’t in the interest of social stability. The upper middles are purposely put in place like a cloak put on the ground to block weeds from getting any sunlight.
Isn’t part of the problem of bad governance that the rulers are too far removed from their subjects? I am reminded of Murray’s “Coming Apart” book in which he asks questions such as “have you ever walked a factory floor” and “have you ever had a job where a body part hurt at the end of the day.” Most of the elites would certainly say no, so he attributes their mismanagement to lack of perspective rather than malevolence (I think its a bit of both actually). Also, in Plato’s Republic, one of the last tests for the guardian ruling class was to live as a common man for some period of time.
Seems to me like the best rulers are those who are natural kings, but have the common touch.
I wrote a post awhile back on how the people with really original ideas, like Greek Philosophers, were never complete specialists like an Egyptian scribe or a Chinese court eunuch.
Through my 20s I had lots of dirty jobs working alongside ordinary people. Learning how differently breeds of people see the world played a big role in forming my world view. I came to understand why intelligent yuppies can indulge in vapid idealistic fantasies as I experienced the brutal grind most people have to endure.
You’re right. Being insulated from reality is a devastating fault that has brought many rulers down.
How would such a natural caste as you propose arise? If it relies on some form of centralized power and/or inheritance of power, it would be hopeless, I am sorry to say. Any such form of power structure will quickly be corrupted in no more than 3 generations, even if we manage to get a philosopher king in the first place. I’ve though about this for many years, and every theoretical scenario and historical example leads back to the same conclusion. The best hope is to achieve a constructive world is still a resilient libertarian power structure. Such a structure is very hard to organize and maintain, but nothing good is easy. We could take a shortcut and instead opt for centralized power, but such attempts always end in tears despite its originally seemingly good intention and promising results. Historically, the truly constructive phase of a civilization is an opening up of liberty and a distribution of power. Sometimes it is a wise monarchy opting to do it, other times it is after a collapse of a decadent society.
It’s one of the biggest challenges of all time. Plato had a basic idea of what needed to be done a long time ago, but implementing something like that is the hard part.
On the other hand, modern states can already manage militaries, tax collection bureaus, road systems, and a national postal service. The potential is there. We know as average IQ increases the more people are able to take intelligent collective action. Making sure smarter and more conscientious people have more power in society is a proxy for having more of them.
What would a resilient libertarian power look like? How would it avoid being conquered by more centralized neighbors?
I didn’t mean we shouldn’t have centralized power — a group of libertarians having a company and electing a CEO would be a centralized power. But that a centralized power formed by assignment, rather than by voluntary agreement of all individuals under its power, is doomed to corruption.
If a competitive system is designed such that capturing power do not necessitate performing X, then X would not be performed. Anyone attempting to do more X will be out-competed by others who do less X. More preciously: In a competitive system, an action X will only be performed to the extend that maximizes power capture, and no more than that.
If power is formed by assignment rather than voluntary agreement, then by definition it must be competitive power capture over the agents who control the “assignment”. There is simply no reconciliation between the goals of “optimizing humanity in 100 years” and “optimizing power capture in 10 years”. People can’t see the future in 100 years [and even if they see it most don’t care], but good lies and games can win the office or inheritance, and stifling/destroying competitions is the easiest way to retain power. Overtime, the system design, and power candidates and assignment agents are corrupted to optimize for only one thing: to capture power at the expense of all else.
If power is formed by voluntary agreement, then in order to capture proportionally more power one must proportionally obtain more agreements of more constructive members, hence allowing the more constructive members to have more power in society. And if an agreement cannot be form, that means one believes that they are not being maximally constructive under this system and they have a better alternative or a different vision, then they are free to join or form the alternative instead of being stifled and destroyed.
In a voluntary agreement system, power distribution is proportional to the real constructiveness of each member. By definition the power cannot be corrupted [because being corrupted means the member is no longer constructive], or wasted [because otherwise there would be no agreement]. However, the voluntary system itself can be corrupted.
> How would it avoid being conquered by more centralized neighbors?
Firstly, there is no reason a free society cannot have a centralized military. Though I agree that most libertarians are rather naive about the necessity of physical force. Secondly, lots of current rich states have puny militaries, they don’t get conquered. People now prefer economic games rather than invasions, and in modern democracies it is rather hard to come up with an excuse to invade a peaceful, rich society. Thirdly, free societies will likely be linked by culture and economic association rather than geography, so there is no capital to capture.
Another advantage of voluntary system is that it encourages the rich to breed more and the poor to breed less, while it is the converse in an assignment system.
In the voluntary system, because one cannot rely on simple assignment to keep their wealth, they must personally actively management it in order to maintain it, otherwise the wealth will quickly dissipate due to managerial power capture internally and competitions externally. The more wealth one house have, the more manpower is needed to actively manage it, so they need more children. For the poor, it is better to pool the resource to produce more powerful children rather than further diluting their power with more children.
In a assignment system, the rich would have fewer children, because power capture is more of a winner-takes-all war game, and a centralized, unified powerful entity is better at it than multiple mutually competing weaker entities. Once the war is won they do not have to worry about power dissipation as much as the voluntary system, because their ability to maintain power is proportional to their centralized power chain of coercion rather than cooperation of productive individuals. For the poor, each children is a unit of power: a unit of welfare, a unit of vote, a unit of violence. So it make sense to have more children.
I’m with you on the weakness of competitive systems, which I’ve written about a long time. Just see my post on the Ruling Class. A competitive ruler is just whoever is best at staying in power.
As for assigned rulers, it depends on who does the assigning. In the real world, people are assigned to run the postal service and we mostly get our mail intact. I think assignment isn’t so much the problem as the assigners are those who have won the competition to rule.
I’m unsure what you mean by a voluntary system. Are you talking about democracies? Are you talking about a system of libertarian independent cities where we simply move to the one we like best?
How does the voluntary system select for the most constructive people?
Are you suggesting a sort of military confederation of small states sort of like the Iroquois alliance or the Swiss cantons?
In a democracy, the power of president/government is nominally assigned by a majority vote and surreptitiously assigned by the powerful elites. In a monarchy, the power is assigned as by the king to heir and maintained by continual support of the subordinates.
What I am saying is that to capture and maintain power this way does not, on average, lead to actions that is beneficial to society in long term. Because such actions are not most beneficial to power capture.
A voluntary system means each member fully own their private properties and can choose whether to join the system with their labour and properties or not. In all states, one cannot be voluntary because all land belong to the state, which in turn is controlled by the rulers, ie the rent-seekers of the land. So just by standing on a piece of land you are coerced into joining the system and obeying the rulers. But if the state belongs to the people, why can’t an individual have a piece of land as private property and free from this coercion? We don’t have this choice.
> How does the voluntary system select for the most constructive people?
It doesn’t select. But since it is the constructive people that creates wealth, the system need to convince the constructive people to join, which means it must reward them with power proportionally.
Citizenry of course is a modern form of serfdom. Of course it’s something we typically want, just as we’d want the protection of the local gang. Can’t live in their neighborhood without it, can’t go into other neighborhoods without anyone big to back us up.
You describe a noble way of life but humans would have to be more aware to make it work.
It would take a highly eugenicized humanity or even transhuman beings.
Perhaps we may see the emergence of new affordable technologies that make people less dependent on central grids that force people to stay bottled up and easy to control.