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The Myth of A Europe United Against the Turks

Many modern day nationalists look back fondly on a fabled age where the Turks were twice driven back from the very gates of Vienna.

What they never seem to mention is that plenty of European powers would have liked to see the fall of Vienna and with it the threat of Habsburg power.

The Habsburgs were the European superpower of the time, with the crowns of the Spanish and Austrian empires united under one family, which included enormous bullion rich territories in the New World.

European powers such as France were more than willing to make deals or even alliances with the Ottomans if it meant taking some pressure off of them by diverting the overwhelming military power and wealth of the Habsburgs.

I’ve met far too many people who like to interpret Euro history first as a conflict between Christianity and Islam when the truth is far more complex.


France and Ottoman

Francis I of France and his ally, Suleiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire

9 responses to “The Myth of A Europe United Against the Turks

  1. Make no mistake August 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    “a conflict between Christianity and Islam ”

    Islam has been trying to destroy everything that isn’t Islam for the last thousand plus years… It still is… Look around the globe – 99% off all wars is due to Islam… The only way for peace is to wipe them off the face of the earth.

    • Giovanni Dannato August 27, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      *Sigh* I realized I might bring some of this out of the woodwork with this post.

      The truth is that Balkan peoples and even Venetians allied with Muslims if they thought it would help them get ahead of their local rivals…to say nothing of trade relationships.
      If we look at the big picture, the West collaborated with Muslim powers at least as much as they warred with them.

      The Ottomans generally tolerated Christians and Jews, but gave tax incentives to convert, a policy that was remarkably successful.
      You attract more flies with honey than vinegar…

      • J.M. December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm

        European History is more complex than just a conflict Christendom vs Islam…however pointing out that France’s godless and greedy rulers wanted so badly that Vienna fell in the power of the Ottoman Turks doesn’t prove your point, which is that Europeans and Muslims were not at war with each other, which is demonstrably false…temporal truces and unlikely alliances notwithstanding. Islam in Europe is only remembered fondly by European converts, politically correct drones and Brits, a people that was never subjected to the raids and terror that the Muslims brought in their attempts to conquer Europe (widespread piracy in the Mediterranean, all-out military campaigns in Central Europe and the Balkans. By the way if being treated as 4th class citizens with almost no rights and all sorts of duties and obligations (that’s dhimmitude for you) well, be my guest as Americans say.

  2. thrasymachus33308 August 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    People will frequently make deals for themselves if they can. The thing to do is to put a stop to the divide and conquer strategy and unite. It worked in the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa and it will work now.

    The economic backbone of Islam- Europe-Far East trade- was broken when Vasco da Gama discovered the sea route to the East around the Cape of Good Hope. Moslems are good traders but can’t actually produce anything and cant fight a pitched battle against an organized opponent, so there is no need now to treat them as anything other than the petty gangsters they are. Only political correctness keeps us from just taking the oil.

  3. AAB August 29, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “I’ve met far too many people who like to interpret Euro history first as a conflict between Christianity and Islam when the truth is far more complex.”

    Central Asia threw out multiple invading armies over the last few thousand years: Cumans, Pechenegs, Khazars, Ottoman Turks, Mongols. The fact that some of them are Muslim shows that religion is not the sole cause of their movements. I’d hazard that the environment (hard, arid, flat land conducive to free movement of horse based culture) bred the type of culture that was prone to attack and invade other countries. If you look at the Turks since they settled in Asia Minor, they haven’t been on the move at all (barring the invasion of Cyprus), which gives some support to the claim.

    You’re correct that the conflict isn’t a christianity vs islam Samuel Hunntington-esque ‘clash of the civilisations’ fight. That’s just what patisan christians believe because, well, they’re being partisan.

  4. Eric Patton September 1, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    The Arab terrorists up until the mid to late 1980’s were mostly Marxists. It was only after Pakistan’s ISI as well as Saudi Arabia started funding militants that we ended up swamped with Arab religious fundamentalists.

    The Saudi’s had a close relationship to Wahhabi priests, after seeing the Afghan king and his family murdered by Marxists it wasn’t hard to figure out which side he would back. We wanted to prevent the Soviets from getting anymore control over Afghanistan but were war weary after Vietnam, so we funded them covertly through Pakistan. The Arabs wanted to run the show and didn’t show us where the money was going.

    You might find this interesting:

    Why Arabs Lose Wars

  5. oogenhand September 8, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    Piece for discussion.

  6. Momo September 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Katalinka szállj el,
    jönnek a törökök!
    Sós kútba tesznek,
    onnan is kivesznek,
    kerék alá tesznek,
    onnan is kivesznek,
    ímhol jönnek a törökök,
    mindjárt agyonlőnek.

    No, you don’t have to understand. Let you just fall into the same dark pitch, traitors.

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